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#3189 - 01/02/10 06:38 PM
Prone Position
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Registered: 24/07/09
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Loc: Wanganui, New Zealand (Westmer...
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I've started reading "Ways of the Rifle" and found the first subject of prone position (specifically angle) very interesting. I remember Graeme Simpson commenting on this some time ago also. The main influences/effects are: A straighter position gives more support and rigidity at the butt of the rifle and therefor absorbs a lot more recoil resulting in a shorter and vertical recoil. The more angled position sacrifices some of this for a more comfortable position which can be advantagous during a long shoot. (60 shots) The angled position has the right leg bent forward allowing the tummy more room to breath easier. What I'd like to know is how many favour a particular position and have you experimented with it? I tend to hold more of an angle with the right leg forward (probably to do with my shape  ) but this is mainly because it's how I was first taught. I intend to have a little play with this and see for myself. Thoughts?
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#3191 - 01/02/10 08:32 PM
Re: Prone Position
[Re: Wheelz]
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Registered: 20/06/09
Posts: 316
Loc: Cambridge
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Great question/discusion. My 2 key thoughts are: 1. Consistancy, regardless of what position you choose the key is consistancy in using that position every time. I've seen pictures of world champion shooters that look like they are in a yoga position, it works for them, is comfortable, but key is they use exactly same position each time. 2. My position & why: I want my left top & fore arm as close to the 30Deg as possible- for stability. As you have read Wheelz I go for as flat an angle as possible to rifle, 10-15 Deg, this is for stability and to get my head and line of sight as close as possible to bore line. I want my shoulders square to spine & head square to shoulders so that there is no chance of presuring nerves, spine or neck. I also try to get the boreline of rifle to align with centre of butt plate so recoil is transfered in as direct line as possible thru the shoulder. Head/eyes level with ground- ensures balance & equilibrium of brain is not off centre. Now I aknowledge this requires a lot of modifacation to rifle to achieve, particularly to check piece to enable you to get your head behind sights (or you could use offset sights). I believe too many people fit around their rifle & compromise their ideal position, rather than fitting rifle to the shooter.
Hay but thats just my thoughts from lots of reading but short shooting experiance, so I'm keen to hear others thoughts, not just what they do, but why.
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#3195 - 02/02/10 12:14 AM
Re: Prone Position
[Re: Wheelz]
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Registered: 22/10/09
Posts: 220
Loc: ITALY
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Ciao Pete, Every shooter has a preferred position which depends on the shoulder width and the length of the upper limbs. This must be as comfortable as possible. Less abnormal tension fewer amomalous shots. I prefer to shoot slightly angled and bent knee. I push the left elbow a little to the right and tilt the rifle to the left. I weighed the rifle on barrel and the back of the stock ( total weight kg. 7.100 / 7.200 ) . Butt-plate straight and slightly shifted to the right, left Hook. When I systems the butt plate in the hollow of the right shoulder I try to close it like a vise and carry the most possible left. Then I relax and raise my right elbow repeatedly trying to eliminate tensions and try to rest the right elbow as in the previous shot. Between a shot and the subsequent I support the rifle with an alu support and reduce muscle tension.
Edited by Massimo - Max (02/02/10 08:33 AM)
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#3197 - 02/02/10 06:34 AM
Re: Prone Position
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Registered: 22/10/09
Posts: 220
Loc: ITALY
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I forgot .... If you have placed the bloop tube/tuner.... raises the Front Sight of 8 mm. about.....be careful of even raise Micrometer Rear Sight, 8.00 mm.. And if you put other thicknesses please note this, avoiding the mismatch between Micrometer Rear Sight and Front Sight who must work as possible in line. If it is elevated to 8.00 mm in front and behind you put 4 / 5, 00 mm offset the rest with a bunch of clicks and then you risk going out of scale or see strange streaks in the iris, than compensated with strange positions of head and neck (with the result of making imperfect shots ) ---------------------------------------------------------- the head should be in place both inside and outside. Never disconnect the neurons
Edited by Massimo - Max (02/02/10 10:08 AM)
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#3199 - 02/02/10 08:42 AM
Re: Prone Position
[Re: Wheelz]
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Registered: 22/10/09
Posts: 220
Loc: ITALY
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Every device that you add involves a change in position. You should never exaggerate, any solution should be used to actually be an advantage. Any changes must be resolved and not to complicate the work of the shooter. I had fallen into a bad time. I worked 3 years to resolve technical problems and mechanics on 2 Rifle (1913-9003) and I'm still working. I resolved fairly and scores are improving. Do not underestimate the adjustment of the trigger. A trigger too hard or too light can defeat a correct position. Relax your right shoulder and clear the mind. --------------------------------------------------------- Feel the Force flow
May the Force be with you
Edited by Massimo - Max (02/02/10 10:09 AM)
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